Okay, this will probably get me fired someday, but still...
I don't get it. I was raised Catholic and we had that whole Christian thing going on (no, really. The Catholics are Christian. Deal.) but then one day I really looked at what the whole thing was about and I thought:
What's the big deal? Jesus died for us? And? So fucking what? He knew he was a god. Where's the sacrifice? The pain of the whipping he got? The pain of the walk to Golgotha? Seriously? There are millions upon millions of people suffering worse, much, much, worse than that right now, as we speak, on a daily basis, for years on end.
If a person gives up hir life for someone else, that person is remembered as a hero because they made the "ultimate sacrifice". And we refer to it as the "ultimate sacrifice" specifically because we don't know what comes after death. Probably nothing. That's what the odds say, anyway. So that's why it's a sacrifice: A person is giving up everything for a possible nothing.
And this guy, who (in the context of the tale) knew he was a god, who knew what came after death, who knew there was actually NOTHING at stake for him to give up his life... We're supposed to be grateful for this, why?
What was actually sacrificed?
This Jesus dude - he knew he was a god and he knew what came after death; the "book" is very specific about that. So what kind of sacrifice was it really? In the cosmic scheme of things, we're talking like a very small hangnail worth of pain. If that. How is that inspiring?
Seriously, I want to know. How does some guy going thru something that he knows is going to turn out all right supposed to “save us all“? Especially when he knows he’s a GOD?
Anyone? I open the floor…
What's the big deal? Jesus died for us? And? So fucking what? He knew he was a god. Where's the sacrifice? The pain of the whipping he got? The pain of the walk to Golgotha? Seriously? There are millions upon millions of people suffering worse, much, much, worse than that right now, as we speak, on a daily basis, for years on end.
If a person gives up hir life for someone else, that person is remembered as a hero because they made the "ultimate sacrifice". And we refer to it as the "ultimate sacrifice" specifically because we don't know what comes after death. Probably nothing. That's what the odds say, anyway. So that's why it's a sacrifice: A person is giving up everything for a possible nothing.
And this guy, who (in the context of the tale) knew he was a god, who knew what came after death, who knew there was actually NOTHING at stake for him to give up his life... We're supposed to be grateful for this, why?
What was actually sacrificed?
This Jesus dude - he knew he was a god and he knew what came after death; the "book" is very specific about that. So what kind of sacrifice was it really? In the cosmic scheme of things, we're talking like a very small hangnail worth of pain. If that. How is that inspiring?
Seriously, I want to know. How does some guy going thru something that he knows is going to turn out all right supposed to “save us all“? Especially when he knows he’s a GOD?
Anyone? I open the floor…
posted by damnsle | 8:48 PM
4 Comments:
I hadn't even thought of that point!
Any god that believes that, just for existing, I am so loathsome that I deserved the death penalty with heaping sides of torture (although someone else could pay that price instead) isn't a god I am willing to worship.
And I'll pay my own way, thankyou.
Yeah, that whole "love and worship me or spend eternity burning in hell" bit; I'm sorry, but how is that free will? Sounds more like blackmail to me.
Hey, great post and great point.
I've always had issues with the whole 'died for my sins' thing. And I've thought about it a lot, but never thought about the 'sacrifice' bit as clearly as you have laid out here.
Sure doesn't sound like much of a sacrifice to me...
Thanks cinnamon girl. I'm glad it came out coherent; I was pretty drunk when I wrote all that down:-)
But it is something I've thought about quite a bit, and I've never been given a satisfactory answer by the xtians that I've talked to about it.
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